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Re: Forum Status

Postby sparkz_alot » Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:43 pm

metulburr wrote:i just set one up too. i didnt see it until i came to post the address
http://www.metulburr.com

obviously the domain is just a placeholder, i have extras set aside that i own. And the server is the same as python-gaming.com, but it doestn have to be. Again i just wanted to have people test it.


lol, we'll go with yours.

Seems to have a lot of features. Be interested in a comparison of snippsat's software and this.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby sparkz_alot » Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:06 pm

sparkz_alot wrote:
metulburr wrote:i just set one up too. i didnt see it until i came to post the address
http://www.metulburr.com

obviously the domain is just a placeholder, i have extras set aside that i own. And the server is the same as python-gaming.com, but it doestn have to be. Again i just wanted to have people test it.


lol, we'll go with yours.

Seems to have a lot of features. Be interested in a comparison of snippsat's software and this.


Apparently can't delete my forum :oops: , so anyone interested please go to metulburr's at http://www.metulburr.com
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Re: Forum Status

Postby Ofnuts » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:27 pm

Would you all enable guest posting on your respective sites so that we can have a shot without registering?

Whatever the outcome, I love Metulburr's logo...
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Re: Forum Status

Postby buran » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:25 pm

I was following this thread regarding the forum future. As more or less regular participant/member I think we should move to a new forum, given the circumstances. It would be nice to keep the old posts if possible, but move forward anyway. Regarding the forum software - mobile-friendly is nice, but not mandatory. from the two "test" forum softwares I think I like more the one set by metulburr. Maybe because it has more "traditional" forum look. Would be OK with any that community agrees on.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby sparkz_alot » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:18 pm

Ofnuts wrote:Would you all enable guest posting on your respective sites so that we can have a shot without registering?

Whatever the outcome, I love Metulburr's logo...


In order to keep metulburr's site pristine, I went ahead and allowed guests to post on mine (http://pythonmybb.icyboards.net/). Note that you only have guest privileges, so your pretty limited in what you can do
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Re: Forum Status

Postby metulburr » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:08 am

Would you all enable guest posting on your respective sites so that we can have a shot without registering?

Whatever the outcome, I love Metulburr's logo...


Yeah guests can now post on my test forum.... but dont be surprised if spam happens as a result.

Actually that was mekires logo he made for this forum, but taos never allowed us to change the logo from phpbb to that.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby Skaperen » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:41 am

buran wrote:I was following this thread regarding the forum future. As more or less regular participant/member I think we should move to a new forum, given the circumstances. It would be nice to keep the old posts if possible, but move forward anyway. Regarding the forum software - mobile-friendly is nice, but not mandatory. from the two "test" forum softwares I think I like more the one set by metulburr. Maybe because it has more "traditional" forum look. Would be OK with any that community agrees on.
just my 2 cents...
i'm ready to go where you guys go. i just have a lean to something built using python so the main admin can focus on python for expertise (and i can run something like it at my company ... i don't want to have to add PHP to my skill list).

i also want to switch my web site over to using python.

i also want to avoid big huge things, like django, regardless of the language.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby metulburr » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:19 am

Would you all enable guest posting on your respective sites so that we can have a shot without registering?

Um yeah i am reverting this back to members post only, I am getting spammed like crazy with viagra ads. Your just gonna have to suck it up and create an account if you want to test it.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby Kebap » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:01 am

I have PM'd a couple of long-standing most-active-users and asked for their input to this discussion as well. Only MVP missing would be Larz60+ who seems to have deactivated reception of private messages for some reason. Maybe someone can point him this way in one of his threads.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby Ofnuts » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:05 am

metulburr wrote:
Would you all enable guest posting on your respective sites so that we can have a shot without registering?

Um yeah i am reverting this back to members post only, I am getting spammed like crazy with viagra ads. Your just gonna have to suck it up and create an account if you want to test it.


Been there, done that. Fine with me. Recent versions of forum software make BBCode a bit more palatable.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby metulburr » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:06 pm

He (lars60+) created an account on pyforum.io so i think he must know the situation.

Yeah i was expecting some spam, not so much lol
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Re: Forum Status

Postby metulburr » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:19 pm

i don't want to have to add PHP to my skill list

with forum software like MyBB or phpBB, you dont really even need to know the language to modify the forum software. For example phpbb and mybb have been around long enough to acquire tons of questions on "how tos". Google it and someone has already created a plugin to do that, or at the very least, has described the process on how to modify the php to do it yourself. But that doesnt add any skill set to php. Im all for creating a forum in python, but it needs to be tested and worked out on the side for awhile before becoming the main forum software.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby sparkz_alot » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:12 pm

Skaperen wrote:i'm ready to go where you guys go. i just have a lean to something built using python so the main admin can focus on python for expertise (and i can run something like it at my company ... i don't want to have to add PHP to my skill list).

i also want to switch my web site over to using python.

i also want to avoid big huge things, like django, regardless of the language.


The problem is there aren't that many pre-build Python software packages out there, maybe 3 or 4? and they appear to be build on Django or Flask. It's difficult to judge them because none offer any type of screen shots, existing users one could visit, etc. It would pretty much be a case of install it and take your chances. I believe the goal here is to install it, tweak it, forget it (except for maintenance purposes and responding to additional features for example) allowing the admins and mods to focus on the forum itself. It would be nice to have a third candidate for the admins and mods to choose from but two is better than none :D
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Re: Forum Status

Postby snippsat » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:05 pm

Some more thoughts,i have mention before Team account DO i think this is a really good option.
No rush but something think about,i may not be wanted in team anyway ;)

If my forum doesn't work out is really not that important for me at all,
i will keep running it and see.

Sure i would like that we use a modern forum software like NodeBB(1)(Discourse 2 choice),
feel like they are much more point at the future(and have developers that care).
Think staring at scratch is a good option and partial move over stuff if that's really needed.
like both option of database that nodeBB use(Redis(1) | MongoDB(2).

phpBB,MyBB is base on PHP and often use MySQL,feels a little older an somewhat outdated.
The Python forum software are little slow to move forward.
Sure all work but...

I really like Flask for web-development,
there was a try to make a forum in Flask when old forum went down.
But this failed big time,
making good modern forum software is really a lot work.

NodeBB use of course JavaScript(which is a necessary evil in web-development),
PHP is never necessary as Python user.

If someone would like to look at backend NodeBB admin panel(which is really well thought out) give me a PM.
i also want to avoid big huge things, like django, regardless of the language.

Flask is prefect for this ;)
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Re: Forum Status

Postby nilamo » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:28 pm

snippsat wrote:NodeBB use of course JavaScript(which is a necessary evil in web-development)

For the client side, sure. Using it server side with Node.js is isn't a necessary evil, it's accepting the evil with wide open arms. Node is cool in a few ways, but as a dedicated web server? Ick.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby wavic » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:52 am

I like the django/flask philosophy. You want something make an app or take it from the web. Take all you need for your project and with little or no changes you can use it straightaway. The good side. You can use any of the apps for your company website or the personal site. The login app, the messaging app.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby ichabod801 » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:29 pm

Since a couple users asked me to move forward with a phpBB site, I have obtained the python-forum.io and python-forum.net domains. After doing some more comparison shopping, I went with the suggestion of webfaction for hosting, and both sites are currently hosted there (and giving a site not configured error). I have spent the morning working through their user documentation. I'm going to spend the rest of the holiday weekend (Monday is Labor Day in the U.S.) trying to get phpBB set up and trying to port the database over.

Regardless of my success or failure, I think it's clear people want to move or are willing to move with those who want to. I think Monday evening we should start a poll to decide where to move. I think we should wait until Monday so that all three sites are up and running and people can check them out. If someone else has another option, we could delay that a bit to give them some time to try and set it up. I further think that if there are more than two options available Monday night, we should do run-off polls, eliminating the lowest vote getter each time until we have a final choice.

Once that's done, I think the mods should get together and organize moving the site and shuttering this site.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby wavic » Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:48 pm

What about the db? All useful posts will be lost
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Re: Forum Status

Postby metulburr » Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:34 pm

Since a couple users asked me to move forward with a phpBB site, I have obtained the python-forum.io and python-forum.net domains. After doing some more comparison shopping, I went with the suggestion of webfaction for hosting, and both sites are currently hosted there (and giving a site not configured error). I have spent the morning working through their user documentation. I'm going to spend the rest of the holiday weekend (Monday is Labor Day in the U.S.) trying to get phpBB set up and trying to port the database over.

Regardless of my success or failure, I think it's clear people want to move or are willing to move with those who want to. I think Monday evening we should start a poll to decide where to move. I think we should wait until Monday so that all three sites are up and running and people can check them out. If someone else has another option, we could delay that a bit to give them some time to try and set it up. I further think that if there are more than two options available Monday night, we should do run-off polls, eliminating the lowest vote getter each time until we have a final choice.

Once that's done, I think the mods should get together and organize moving the site and shuttering this site.


I agree. I am worried about some of the mods. Some of them that were in this thread, are not discussing anymore. So they havent been updated at all. And some mods havent been on in months and months. We need to strip them of their ability to come back and reinstate the threads after we initiated the move. These are the mods that appear to no longer use the forum.

What about the db? All useful posts will be lost

If we cant get the database switched, then yes we will lose the database and start from new. But this database is only 2-3 years old anyways. The one before that was the good one.
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Re: Forum Status

Postby ichabod801 » Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:37 pm

wavic wrote:What about the db? All useful posts will be lost


My version will hopefully have the db. I believe snippsat has said that it is possible to port the db to his forum's software. Neither of us have managed that yet.

What are the "useful" posts? Some of the tutorials, the list of free resources? Couldn't they be ported over manually if necessary? I don't think we need to save all the posts saying "why doesn't if knight == 'robin' or 'lancelot' work?"
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